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Yeah I noticed that with the dates - Ticketmaster has the same dates up for the UK gigs on an official poster. So i'd imagine the UK dates are correct
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Not related to Neil Diamond but read this people !
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/06/online_ticket_company_ordered_to_release_data_on_ticket_sellers/
Ashes – Oh dear, that doesn’t sound good! Frankly, I think anyone who has sold tickets on for any sport has a bit of a screw loose anyway, knowing how seriously it is taken by the sporting industry. Then again, I am sure a number of people will have “chanced” it – This could be awful for some people, but from the sounds of it they are only going to target the “big” players in the market; the ones with hundreds of tickets, not just a couple. Interesting article though.
Why do they have a ‘screw loose? Typical of all these toff sports such as Tennis and Rugby Union to get on their high horse. Tickets for the big Rugby matches are nearly impossible to get due to their ‘old boys club’ mentality. Tennis isn’t much better.
The RFU are just protecting their own little pockets here, with the World Cup due in 2015. I don’t suppose we’ll see extortionate ‘packages’ for them.
It will be interesting to see how many other sports bodies and music promoters decide to run with this. If many do then it would represent a serious threat to the secondary market so I can’t imagine that the ruling will not be appealed. Hopefully it will not be contagious and at worst will prove to be just another ‘Wimbledon’ situation whereby re-sales are policed so diligently as to make it impractical for just a very few events.
Any idea why only Viagogo have been targeted & SW/GMI appear to be left alone ? From the article, I can only presume it’s because viagogo have a flimpsy privacy policy ? Also don’t you love the way Viagogo have been forced to hand over sellers details but even though they provided the platform & made a fortune from their fees the RFU do not seek “redress” from Viagogo !!!!!
Ashes – According to another article “The RFU, who intend to take action against anyone who has breached their ticketing terms by selling anonymously to a secondary site, will now pursue Seatwave and Getmein, the two other leading website exchange operators”.
Hywel – You are right, Viagogo are to appeal the ruling
Mark, can you post the other article ?
The RFU, via lawyers, have been targetting Ebay sellers for some time. They’d bid on another low priced item, then do an ID request. Occassionally they would even buy the tickets, however their approach then seemed to be to ban the buyers from purchasing from future events. This team of lawyers also did work for the ICC in the 20:20 cup. The username they were using was sarahbumpers, but they probably have a stack of them.
I can’t see how they’d be able to get MORE money from the sellers. You’ve bought the tickets, and it’s too late to cancel them now.
The article says they are claiming trespass – but it would be the buyer that trespassed with a, according to them, invalid ticket.
Also, when they get this information – they might not like what they find. I’d imagine that a very large number of these tickets may have been sold on from the club allocations. There are far too many on the market to all come from the few Rugby Union Supporters Club allocations (the lottery is a joke).
Besides, what are people with tickets that they can’t go with supposed to do if they can’t find someone to take them at Face Value…put them on SW at cost price? Get Real.
Here you are: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-1372573/CHARLES-SALE-Rugby-tackles-touts-court-triumph.html
The judgement itself makes very interesting reading. here’s a quote from it:
“Before leaving this topic, I note the following. Although RFU found no evidence of breach of its Conditions by a club, evidence was found that Viagogo has claimed that such breaches do occur. This emerged in the following way. Having bought tickets online as part of the test purchasing programme, one of the test purchasers received an unsolicited e-mail from a sales representative using an e-mail address ending “@Viagogo.com”. The e-mail included the following:
“As a previous online six nation booker I wanted to take the time to introduce you to the offline Corporate sales team.
We offer a free VIP service, a dedicated account manager and better prices than if you book online.
Did you need any prices on the upcoming Autumn internationals or six nations?”
That was dated 28 September 2010 and the test purchaser replied positively the next day. The same day, 29 September, the sales representative replied:
“I can do England v Australia CAT 1 longside for £250 pp inc VAT “.
The test purchaser asked for details and the sales representative replied the same day:
“Of course category 1 are the best seats possible …
What you see online is fans exchanging tickets, when you buy one you are charged VAT, shipping and an online fee. In the offline corporate team we get our tickets direct from the venue or from the official promoters. So it will certainly work out cheaper and a much better location”.
The test purchaser did the deal and paid £500. He duly received two tickets each with a face value of £73. The printing on the ticket showed that it had been distributed through a named Rugby Club, and also gave the name of the individual at that club concerned in the distribution. The tickets arrived by Royal Mail special delivery in an envelope stating that the sender was Viagogo, giving its address in Holborn. This might appear to show that Viagogo was itself the seller, whereas Viagogo’s case is that it is just the facilitator of a sale by a seller. It was not the basis of RFU’s application that Viagogo was a seller, and I do not have to make any findings about this particular sale.”
Makes a mockery of the idea that Viagogo is just a facilitator. It’s been suggested on here many times that sites like them do this, and also has been denied but
this seems incontrovertible.
Also, from comments in the rest of the ruling it would seem that the RFU are trying to find the big fish in all of this, not the sort of people who bought 2 or 4 and sold them on.
Great posts on the subject , the more difficult the RFU make it the higher the re sale prices , there is always a way !!
Viagogo SW and GMI all request that their address is put as the return address on RMSD it means nothing. That’s not where the tickets have originated.
That is true, but the email they sent out says quite explicitly that they get the tickets directly from the venue or the promoter.
Think the RFU have got a bee in their bonnet about these sites, but they ought to look a little closer to home too. Their authorised agent was ticketmaster – the owners of GMI. I bought rugby tickets from ticketmaster and my email receipt included an advert for GMI that actively encouraged me to resell the tickets I had just bought.
Cue email from the RFU offering me a table of 10 at some bash with the squad for a bargain £2750.
Get f*****.
Slightly off topic (or off, off topic!) but BBC 6Music were banging the ‘Sharon Hodgson 10 % bill’ drum again this morning – a ‘special report’ no less! Presumably to make up for the bollock they dropped a few weeks ago when the morning after Reading went on sale they threw their hands up in horror at the festivals tickets being sold for double face value – and then appeared to realise that tickets hadn’t even sold out and so effectively scrapped the promised report!
Quite why they’re giving people only half the story (the bill has previously been talked out of time and the current majority are never going to pass anti free market legislation – certainly not in the current climate and when it will affect big business) is a mystery and just makes them sound like a Student radio outfit.
Some of the media responses to this issue are just silly. What annoys me is the way that they always tie together fraudulent sites that take people’s money without issuing any tickets and those touts who just sell tickets for higher than face value. There is no connection between the two activities (if you morally object to them both, that’s your prerogative). One is fraud/theft (and a crime) the other is touting (and is not a crime).
Yet another scaremongering exercise.
What they dont tell you about the secondary market is that IF you are prepared to take a bit of a gamble and wait for tickets you can buy tickets from SW/GMI/VG for a fraction of their original price. Take Kylie at the O2 as the pefect example, £85 per ticket, yesterday on SW there were 4 seats in Block 101 (the best block in the arena along with 112) for £18.99 EACH!!! Now I dont know about anyone else but that is a pure bargain. What they are saying is its ok to lose money but not make any, would explain why this country is a mess!!
Good point and I fear that, ironically, Reading festival itself may end up as one of these ‘bargain’ tickets. I know there have been a few on here who’ve been wise after the event but who would really have predicted beforehand that Reading Festival would still be fully available from even the small sites almost 3 weeks on.
Secondary ticket site Viagogo, angry at losing a landmark case to the RFU which forces them to reveal the names of those placing blackmarket Twickenham tickets for sale on the exchange, showed their displeasure by turning up at rugby’s HQ to pay the £10,000 court costs in £1 coins.
On counting up the money, RFU officials found it to be £12 short. The two junior Viagogo employees present were told by their bosses to top up from their own pockets.
They refused, so the RFU – on legal advice – rejected the cash mountain and asked for a bank transfer. If Viagogo say no, the RFU will return to court.
Did anyone have any comeback on this at all? I never heard a thing.
I sold a pair of twickenham All Black tickets on VG for the game last year that I was unfortunately unable to attend. I’m also a member of the supporters club, and got the tickets through the members sale.
No one from the RFU has contacted me, and I still get my emails every week offering rugby kit and other stuff, and have renewed membership again.
I suspect they’ll only be bothered with the big fish.
Last I heard about this was Viagogo were appealing against the ruling so the whole thing may still be dragging through the courts.
Just read an article on this and the hearing is planned between sep 11 and jan 2012, so it wont be long that we will find out is Viagogo has to divulge details of sellers to the RFU.
http://theangleon.com/lgblogsip/11-06-03/RFU_and_Viagogo_in_ticket_scrum.aspx
Interesting post, thanks.